Showing posts with label Altamirano. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Altamirano. Show all posts

Sunday, September 27, 2026

New Book from Cheiron publishers - Rewriting equestrian history series

 Salvete Omnes,




last Sunday of this September 2026, also we have entered into the season of Autumn - Thanksgiving coming in two months.



ad rem, I was looking at the Trivent Publishing website for new Cheiron issue, and there they announced a new collection of articles on the European Medieval horses and their types: Backing the Right Horse: Types of Equids in Medieval and Later Europe.  Two articles - the Introduction and Defining the English Hackney - are 'libre' or available for download to read and study.


On this blog I have written plenty of posts on the medieval horses, mostly in the Medieval art, from destrier/dextrarius to jennet, rouncey (all purpose horse), hackney & sumpter (pack horse)- starting with this post on the dextrarius apertus of 2010..




Outright, I disagree with the position taken on breeding and breeds by Anastasija Ropa, one the editors, in the Introduction (page 11),  not only because  I read works by Juan Carlos Altamirano on the 'invention and breeding' of the  Spanish horse of king Felipe II.


In the past exchanges are had some disagreements on steppe and ancient Iranian etc horse history with on of the authors, namely Jurg Glassman. But in science and research informed disagreements just can  lead to more research and goodness - :) .

well, perhaps I get to read more of these articles, and so will you, dear fellow traveler. 


Valete

Sunday, September 22, 2013

Col. Dodge - the American Bronco

Salve,
American historian, traveller and military man, Col. Theodore Ayrault Dodge wrote many interesting books  - the list from modern equivalent of  Alexandrine library collection - archive.org; and from his book 'Riders of Many Lands' comes a description of a bronco or horse of the US plains before coming of the Quarter Horse et al.
Well, let us read:

BRONCO:

''There is no horse superior to the bronco for endurance; 
few are his equals. His only competitor in the equine 
race is his lowly cousin, the ass, of whom I shall say much 
anon. The bronco came by his toughness and grit natu- 
rally enough; he got them from the Spanish stock of 
Moorish descent*, the individuals of which breed, aban- 
doned in American wilds in the sixteenth century by the 
early searchers for gold and for the Fountain of Youth, 
were his immediate ancestors; and his hardy life has, by 
survival of the fittest, increased this endurance tenfold. 
He is not handsome. 
 
 
His middle-piece is distended by grass food; it is so loosely 
joined to his quarters that one can scarcely understand where
he gets his weight-carrying capacity, and his hip is very short. 
He has a hammer-head, partly due to the pronounced ewe-neck
which all plains or steppes horses seem to acquire by 
their nomad life. He has a bit too much daylight under him, which 
shows his good blood as well as the fact that he has had 
generations of sharp and prolonged running to do. His 
legs are naturally perfect, rather light in muscle and slen- 
der in bone, but the bone is dense, the muscle of strong 
quality, and the sinews firm. Still, in an Indian's hands 
his legs finally give way at the knees from sharp stopping 
with a gag-bit, and curbs will start on his houghs [hocks], for a 
redskin will turn on a ten-cent piece. 
The pony is naturally quick, but his master wants him to be quicker. His hunting and all his sports require work which 
outdoes polo. One form of racing is to place two long 
parallel strips of buffalo-hide on the ground at an interval 
of but a few feet,and, starting from a distance, to ride up
to these strips, ross the first, turn between the two, and 
gallop back to the starting-point. A fraction of a second 
lost on a turn loses the race.
Until one thinks of what it means, a twentieth part
of a second is no great loss. But take two horses of equal speed
in a hurdle race with twenty obstacles. One pauses at each 
hurdle just one-twentieth of a second; the other flies his
hurdles with-out a pause. This lost second means that he 
will be forty- five feet behind at the winning-post — four 
good lengths. Another Indian sport is to ride up to a log 
hung horizon- tally and just high enough to allow the pony 
but not the rider to get under, touch it, and return. 
If the pony is stopped too soon, the Indian loses time 
in touching the log; if too late, he gets scraped off. 
The sudden jerking of the pony on its haunches is sure 
eventually both to start curbs or spavin, and to break his 
knees. Still the pony retains wonderfully good legs considering. 
The toughness and strength of the plains pony can scarcely be exaggerated. He will live through a winter that will kill the hardiest cattle. He worries through the long months when the snow has covered up the bunch- grass on a diet of cotton-wood boughs, which the Indian cuts down for him; and though he emerges from this ordeal a pretty sorry specimen of a horse, it takes but a few weeks in the spring for him to get himself into splendid condition and fit for the trials of the war-path. His fast has done him good, as some say sea-sickness will do him good who goes down to the sea in ships. He can go unheard-of distances. 
Colonel Dodge records an instance coming under his
observation where a pony carried the mail three hundred
miles in three consecutive nights, and back over the 
same road the next week, and kept this up for six months
without loss of condition. He can carry any weight.
 
Mr. Parkman speaks of a chief known as Le Cochon,
on account of his three hundred pounds avoir- dupois,
who, nevertheless, rode his ponies as bravely as a 
man of half the bulk. He as often carries two people as 
one. There is simply no end to this wonderful product of 
the prairies. He works many years. So long as he will 
fat up in the spring, his age is immaterial to the Indian. 
 
 It has been claimed by some that the American climate 
is, par excellence, adapted to the horse. California and 
Kentucky vie for superiority, and both produce such wonderful
results as "Sunol" (famous trotting mare) and "Nancy Hanks.'' Man certainly
has done wonders with the horse upon our soil; and 
alone the horse has done wonders for himself. I have 
sought for great performances by horses in every land. 
One hears wonderful traditions of speed and endurance 
and much unsupported testimony elsewhere ; but for re- 
corded distance and time, America easily bears off the palm. 
We shall recur to this point hereafter. Ever since Brown-Sequard 
discovered that he could not always kill an Ameri- 
can rabbit by inserting a probe into its brain, and enunci- 
ated the doctrine of the superior energy and endurance of 
the American mammal, facts have been accumulating to 
prove his position sound. 
 
 
 One peculiarity of the pony is his absence of crest. His 
ewe-neck suggests the curious query of what has become 
of the high, well-shaped neck of his ancestor the Barb*. I 
was on the point of saying arched neck — but this is the 
one thing which the Arabian or Barb rarely has, being 
ridden with a bit which keeps his nose in the air. But he 
has a peculiarly fine neck and wide, deep, open throttle of 
perfect shape, and with bit and bridoon carries his head 
just right. There are two ways of accounting for the
ewe-neck. 
 
 
The Indian's gag-bit, invariably applied with 
a jerk, throws up the pony's head instead of bringing it 
down, as the slow and light application of the school-curb 
will do, and this, it is thought by many, tends to develop 
the ewe-neck. But this is scarcely a theory which can be 
borne out by the facts, for the Arabian retains his fine 
crest under the same course of treatment. A more suffi- 
cient reason may be found in the fact that the starvation 
which the pony annually undergoes in the winter months 
tends to deplete him of every superfluous ounce of flesh 
wherever it may lie. The crest in the horse is mostly 
meat, and its annual depletion, never quite replaced, has 
finally brought down the Indian pony's neck nearer to the 
outline of the skeleton. It was with much ado under his 
scant diet that the pony held on to life during the winter; 
he could not scrape together enough food to flesh up a 
merely ornamental appendage like a crest. Most Moors 
and Arabs, on the other hand, prize the beauty of the high- 
built neck, and breed for it ; and their steeds are far better
fed. There is rarely snow where they dwell; forage 
of some kind is to be had in the oases, and the master 
always stores up some barley and straw for his steed; or in 
case of need will starve his daughters to feed his mares.
 
 The Indian cares for his pony only for what he can do 
for him, and once lost, the crest would with difficulty be 
replaced, for few Indians have any conception of breeding. 
The bronco's mean crest is distressing, but it is in inverse 
ratio to his endurance and usefulness. Well fed and cared 
for, he will regain his crest to a marked extent.''
 
 ______________________________________________
*
Juan Carlos Altamirano on Horses of La Conquista  
Dr. Phil Sponenberg on Spanish Colonial Horse 
Iberian horses genetics 
eg The Origins of Iberian Horses Assessed via Mitochondrial DNA
 
****
Prints by Frederic Remington and one by  Rufus Fairchild Zogbaum

Friday, August 13, 2010

Horace Hayes on horses



Horace Hayes in his book 'Points of horse,' published in the 1897, presented his very learned opinions regarding what a particular type of horse should have been, his description was based in his extensive travels and experiences as cavalryman, scientist,  horse trainer, equine historian etc. I am giving his horse conformation description and views here, because I think,  H. Hayes gives us a very sound opinion on what a war horse should have been built like prior to the XX century, and I think it applies to horses throughout their use in human warfare since North Iranians on the great Eurasian Steppe first took to mounted warfare,  at least 3000 years ago. Note his insistence on the trooper and officer horse's height when in war conditions, very important! The shortness of legs, and his stoutness in general, in cavalry trooper horse brings to my mind the Mongol-Tatar bachmats of the Pontic-Caspian steppe.

The Cavalry Trooper.—The ideal cavalry horse should (if price has not to be considered) be of the heavy weight (Fig. 433) or thick-set (Fig. 322) hunter type. His chief requirements as regards conformation are as follows :—
1. That he should be up to the weight he has got to carry, which is usually about 18 stone. But he should on no account be too heavily topped for his legs, or for the work he will be called upon to do. His loins, therefore, should be strong, his shoulder-blades long, and his legs should be as short as is compatible with the possession of sufficient speed for military purposes.
2. His legs and feet should be particularly sound and well able to stand work. As he will be called upon at times to go fast and to leap ; his back tendons should be more or less parallel with the cannon bone, and he should have no tendency to undue width of fetlock (p. 282, et seq.).
3. His fore-hand should be light, so that his legs and feet may continue sound, and that he may be able to do his school work properly.
4. He should have a good carriage of the head and neck, so that he may be obedient to the rein.
5. He should be a " good doer," and have a strong constitution, which will usually be the case with a horse that has a bright eye ; soft, cool skin ; deep rounded barrel (pp. 232 to 236); full flank ; firm, prominent anus; and is well ribbed up.
6. In times of peace, the height will usually vary from about 15.1 to 16 hands; but for war purposes, when endurance is of paramount importance, the height should not exceed 15.2, and may be as low as 14.1, especially if Arabs are employed.
The Officer's Charger.—A cavalry officer's first charger, with all the useful points of the cavalry trooper, should have undeniably good looks, and a showy carriage of the head and tail, which should not be docked. As he will have to carry less, and will cost considerably more than an animal in the ranks, he should be well bred, and, with a rider of ordinary weight, he should approach the type of a handsome thorough-bred hunter. A second charger should have all the useful points of a first charger ; but need not be so good-looking. The colour will, as a rule, depend on regimental regulations. Speaking generally, he should not be less than 15.3, during peace time, because a man at the head of a regiment of cavalry, or of a battery of Horse or Field Artillery, looks best on a tall horse. On a campaign, the height should be the same as that advised for a cavalry trooper.
The Artillery Horse.—Artillery horses are divided into those for Horse Artillery and those for field batteries. As the teams of the former have to manoeuvre with cavalry, and also drag their guns, they require to be exceptionally strong, smart horses. The latter, as they are supposed not to go faster than a trot, are stronger and slower horses than those of light cavalry. The wheelers are active, light-built cart-horses. For their work, they need to be somewhat thick in the shoulders, short on the leg, and of considerable weight to stop the gun when the order to halt is given. Their hind-quarters, loins, and hocks should, therefore, be particularly strong. The riding horses of the Nos. 1 and markers of field batteries should be of the light cavalry type.
The Mounted Infantry Horse should be of the same type as the cavalry charger, and should be about 14.2 high. Fig. 437 shows a good specimen of a remount, which did excellent service during the late Boer war. The pony in Fig. 438, though small, was of a useful kind, and also served in South Africa during 1900 and 1901.

The Polo Pony.—Handiness and speed, with sufficient staying and weight-carrying power, are the two chief requirements of the polo pony. Consequently, he should be light in front, should carry his head and neck well, have sloping shoulders, strong hocks, and his hind legs well under him. The fact of his being rather " goose-rumped " will be no detriment. These views are strengthened by the remarks made on pages 310 and 311 about the conformation of the zebra; for the polo pony, like his striped relative, requires great ability of suddenly stopping, turning round, and galloping off in the opposite direction. This turn has to be done chiefly on the hind legs, which in this case will be more or less bent, and will then have full power to project the pony in the new direction. The best English polo ponies, such as the once matchless Dynamite,  are animals which, but for an accident of breeding, would have been high-class hunters or brilliant chasers.
source:
Points of Horse pp392-95

another horse so called Hack  pp389
The Hack.—The chief points about the hack are that he should be " light in front," have sloping shoulders, and sound legs and feet, so that he may be sure-footed and able to stand work ; and he should be rather high in front (pp. 177 and 178). The conformation of his head and neck should be such as to allow him to bend readily to the rein. The action of the hack should be somewhat " high" and should be " true," so that, when viewed from behind, the near pair of limbs, in the walk, trot and canter, should move in a line parallel to that of the off pair. Action, good looks, and a showy carriage of the head and tail are essentials in the high-priced hack.
 According to hipologist Juan Carlos Altamirano, great historian and specialist on the Pura Rasa Espanola or Spanish Horse,  the XVI century nondescript  hacks or 'haquas' imported from England, Northern Europe and Poland were foundation horses along with particular Barb, Neapolitan and Andalusian stallions and Marismenas mares when king Felipe II (Philip II) ordered creation of the breeding program at the Yeguada Real in Cordoba, Spain in 1567 AD.

H. Hayes' entire book can be read here, but my text belongs to 1904 edition and the  photos of the horses given in the text as well   http://books.google.com/books?id=P1sCAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&source=gbs_atb#v=onepage&q&f=false
ps
 at the top some old sketch of mine

Friday, March 13, 2009

et Equus polonus cdn



Salve,
... i następna kwestia o konikach polskich - dzianet (hiszpański czy włoski ) a sprawa polska - np Zygmunt III Waza na dzianecie jeździł pod Smoleńskiem, co dobrzej widać na tym powyżej załączonym obrazie pędzla Dolabelli.
    otóż, imaginuj sobie drogi czytelniku,  jest to ciekawa kwestia z tym koniem zwanym dzianetem -  bo czy był on 'rasy hiszpańskiej' to inna kwestia, jako ze dzianet to również koń z Italii -  w Polsce szlacheckiej, tu caveat - typowy koń iberyjski z XVI-XVII wieku nie istnieje w swojej oryginalnej formie ponieważ ani współczesne Lusitano, Alter Real ani PRE (pura rasa espanola) to nie są konie tamtego okresu, maja co prawda ich geny, jak udowodniły badania ale tymi samymi końmi nie są; typ XV-XVIII wieczny można spotkać chyba ze li tylko w 3-4 stadach mustangów gór oraz pustyń Zachodu US, wśród koni południowoamerykańskich - Brazylia, Chile, Argentyna, Urugwaj, Wenezuela. 

Wyginał był dzianet jeszcze w czasie wojen XIX wieku, zwłaszcza za czasów napoleońskiej inwazji Iberii ( w 'Popioloach' prowadza nasi dzianety hiszpańskie czy tez u Gąsiorowskiego - cóż, lupy wojenne, oni tam brali, tak jak wszyscy inni przechodzący przez nasz kraj brali konie polskie) i mody, głównie  na konie pełnej krwi angielskiej od konca XVIII w. Teraźniejszy wiec typ iberyjski jest raczej bardziej nowoczesna mieszanka hodowlana ze śladami dawnego dzianeta (bo podobno mnisi ukryli część koni andaluzyjskich i dzięki temu przetrwalny ... vivat Kartezjanie! choć pan Juan Carlos Altamirano, badacz hipologiczny z Królestwa Hiszpanii, walczy z tym mitem od paru lat, obdzierając go z legendy po kawałeczku )
Dzianet, włoski et iberyjski, XVI-XIX wieczny to koń który podobno miał taki oto typ: 

o średnio a nawet raczej długiej głowie (tu może być problem z naszych przodków ulubieniem) która jest wąska (może problem, choć nie musi) i z nosem rzymskim -garbonosa (nie ma problemu) , 
ma raczej długie uszy (duzy problem, bo szlachta krótkie uszy u wierzchowców wolała i nieco zagięte na końcówkach), oko nie za bardzo wypukle i trochę eliptyczne (nie za bardzo dobrze), o długiej szyji (szlachta to lubi),   wysokie kłęby (dobrze siodło siedzi, nie ma problemu ), raczej wąska, a muskularna głęboka pierś (nie problem a plus bo biegun był), długie, chyba suche nogi (dobrze) tyle ze nie ma u niego owłosionych pęcin  (tak jak na wszystkich sztychach z epoki pokazujących nasze polskie konie), prosty średnio-krotki grzbiet ( dobrze ), długi muskularny zad (jeszcze lepiej) tyle ze raczej spadzisty, o ogonie nisko zawieszonym bo dzianet nie odsadzał ogona w czasie galopu jak Arab czy Turek być (może duzy problem dla szlachty), grzywa i ogon o delikatnym, niezbyt obfitym włosiu (chyba dobrze), dzisiejszy PRE ma ogon i grzywę ogromna.
Porównując obrazek 'turka' z wierszyków czy powiedzonek szlacheckich oraz powyższy opis dzianeta iberyjskiego to mamy konia który momentami nie za bardzo pasuje do ideału konia szlacheckiego... Czyż nie wydaje się to wartym zastanowienia?


Wlosi oraz Niemcy przerobili na wlasny uzytek dzianety hiszpanskie (od czasu jak ujezdzanie zaczeto praktykowac w koncu 16 wieku) i byc moze ich dzianeto-pochodne konie byly bardziej ku uciesze oka szlacehckiego rycerza oraz hodowcy?
A swoja droga to ciekawe czy sa jakies dane archeologiczne zebrane z naszych pol bitewnych czy z pozostalosci po dworach, zamkach czy palacach kresow czy Polski terazniejszej etc na temat wystepujacych tam pozostalosci szkieletow koni, ich typow etc?
...moze tylko jeszcze dodam ze najdrozsza bronia na wyposarzeniu najlepszej jazdy wojsk RON czyli husarii byl wlasnie ... rumak husarski wychodowany w stadninach ukrainnych i poludniowej Malopolski, Podola i ziem ukrainnych.
Niebotyczny koszt tych koni, bo przeciez musial miec odpowiedni typ vel rase - kon polski, turecki etc, nastepnie byc w odpowiednim wieku do rozpoczecia uzytkowania - bo brano konie po 5 roku zycia do szkolenia, oraz przede wszystkim dlugie szkolenie przed uzytkowaniem, wszystko to podnosilo niebotycznie koszt tejze 'broni' husarskiej.
Bez tych koni husaria bylaby owa rajtaria z kopiami - i przeszlaby do lamusa taktycznego - jako nieskuteczna zupelnie, tak jak stali sie nieskuteczni gendarmes czy demi-lansjerzy w Europie Zachodniej.
Poza tym husarz był również  'pistolero' zwanym od XVI wieku 'rajtarem' - tzn miał 2 pistolety etc - następna kwestia do pomnika sławy husarii  i jej uniwersalności.

W kazdym razie, zamieszczam obok konika ktorego mam zamiar przemalowac i juz pojawil sie czeladnik ktory trzyma go za uzde.. z uzyciem GIMP  bo GIMP jest  uber alles...i  uber alles.

Tuesday, October 21, 2008

Old Polish Horse



In my previous post I cited a statement made by a Frenchman Dupont about winged hussars and their beautiful horses. These horses were not for show or parade but for war, actually their stamina, strength, bravery and soundness essential to the winged hussar's battlefield performance.
During the existence of Old Poland (1569-1795) aka Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth there were plenty many horses in these lands that today constitute Poland, Lithuania, Belarus, Ukraine, some parts of western Russia, Latvia, and parts of Romania. Polish equine historians - especially Witold Pruski - talk about so called Polish Horse developed during the 16th century and extinguished during the Napoleonic Wars. Whether this particular horse was one breed or a type still remains an unanswered questions while other European equine historians talk about their own equine breeds and their development, eg. preeminent Spanish horse historian Juan P. Altamirano writes in his books, articles and on his website that the first modern breed of horses - la Pura Rasa Espanola - was begun in Spain, with a royal decree issued by his royal majesty king Felipe II, that led to development of this breed around late 1570s. http://www.jcaltamirano.com/artespanol.htm
There aren't that many images of the old Polish Horses that have survived wars and burnings of Old Poland lands. Usually 3 or four are listed - and they are from the 18th century, sadly past the heyday of winged hussaria.
I have done some drawings of the winged hussar horses - eg http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Panskie_oko_konia_tuczy1.jpg

I am working on some horse illustrations for my friend Radek Sikora - for his book - 'Na skrzydlach husarii'-
I started sketching this horse Sunday, and perhaps I will use this sketch :) although it will need saddle, shabraque, wings attached to the saddle etc. Soon I will post some more progress sketches.
to be continued